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Mélanie Administrateur


Nombre de messages: 769 Age: 25 Localisation: Dole (39) Date d'inscription: 01/06/2005
 | Sujet: Breeding my keyholes Ven 16 Mar - 21:05 | |
| Salut tout le monde, voici la discussion que j'ai avec Zac, peut-être avez-vous des choses à ajouter. | Citation: | Hi, i have a pair of keyhole cichlids that are around 2.5 " long in my 100 litre comuntiy tank and i have been trying to encourage them to breed for some time, providing plenty of spaces. recently they have been displaying to each other doing a little dance to impress each other and there colours have become much stronger recently. they have also become exremely aggressive to all other tank mates, but they arnt guarding a particualr area, could this mean they want to breed. any information would be great, thank
zac
pic of my tank atached.
ta |

Ma réponse :
| Citation: | Hello,
Thanks for your e-mail, I was happy to see English or american people read our site. What you described to me, is the common behavior before breeding. Your Keyhole must probably breed soon, and you can feed them with freezed food or live food to encourage them. During the first breeding, it's frequent that the parents eat eggs but they will learn during the other breeding how to take care of their fray.
Sorry for my English, I hope you understand what I would like to say...
Bybye
Mélanie |
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Mélanie Administrateur


Nombre de messages: 769 Age: 25 Localisation: Dole (39) Date d'inscription: 01/06/2005
 | Sujet: Re: Breeding my keyholes Ven 16 Mar - 21:13 | |
| La suite | Citation: | Hi iv attached a pic showing my 2 keyholes, hopefully you could advise me on there, sex, the pics arnt great, see what you can do. also a pic ofmy comuntiy tank were the pair are. could you recomend any extra decor or plants? thanks |

ma réponse
| Citation: | Hello,
It's difficult to say wether they are male or female on pictures because Keyhole didn't show strong sexual dimorphism. And it seems to be that the argument of fins (which suppose to be longer for the male) is not so correct. We can be sure of their sex only during breeding when sexual organ are visible. You can go on this link to look at pictures ..http://maronii.free.fr/dimorphisme.htm.
In their natural habitat, we find a lot of roots, like on this picture
image de shantibaba sur le sujet à cette adresse http://www.cichlidsforum.com/biotope-du-cleithracara-maronii-vt16663.html
Can I put our discussion in the forum, the other members could perhaps add some elements of answer.
Mélanie |
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Mélanie Administrateur


Nombre de messages: 769 Age: 25 Localisation: Dole (39) Date d'inscription: 01/06/2005
 | Sujet: Re: Breeding my keyholes Ven 16 Mar - 21:15 | |
| | Citation: | yes by all means, that would be great for it to be in the forum, thanks for your help.The one which i thort was male ( longer fins, seems to be the female from the pictures of the vents on your site, and the one with smaller fins, seems to b pushing the female to breed ( shakigsn its tail andflexigna ll tis fisn out infront of the ither) .. also is ther anwy ways of encouraging these fish to breed thank you very much |
et ma dernière réponse pour l'instant :
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tyrion Suprème maronii


Nombre de messages: 430 Localisation: lyon Date d'inscription: 05/07/2005
 | Sujet: Re: Breeding my keyholes Ven 16 Mar - 22:16 | |
| Hi Zac ! I don't have many things to add after mélanie's advices. Any change in the tank can be the stimulus that will make them breed : you can add a flat stone in a corner of the tank, hidden by a root or some plants for example(they need to have an area easy to defend), change one third of the water, and wait... It seems to me that I see some Pelvicachromis in your tank : are the keyholes able to find a territory ? Another problem is that one male and one female don't always form a good pair. And the biggest problem (at least in France) is that the keyholes you can buy are very far from wild strains and seem to have lost their parental behaviour (just like ramirezis). Ciao PS : merci Mélanie (ou Jakez ou quiconque a le courage) de corriger. |
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JakezDaniel Suprème maronii


Nombre de messages: 232 Date d'inscription: 28/11/2005
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Douille Suprème maronii


Nombre de messages: 630 Age: 29 Localisation: Paris Date d'inscription: 02/06/2005
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Douille Suprème maronii


Nombre de messages: 630 Age: 29 Localisation: Paris Date d'inscription: 02/06/2005
 | Sujet: Re: Breeding my keyholes Sam 24 Mar - 18:56 | |
| Sinon faudrait lui demander les paramètres de son eau. Qu'il n'hésite pas à rajouter plus de cachettes, surtout avec les pelvicachromis. (moi je vous laisse bosser et je me mare après) |
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Mélanie Administrateur


Nombre de messages: 769 Age: 25 Localisation: Dole (39) Date d'inscription: 01/06/2005
 | Sujet: Re: Breeding my keyholes Dim 25 Mar - 11:34 | |
| Hello Zac, can you tell us more about your water parameter such ph, gh, no2, no3...and your other fish in tank ? Thanks, Mél PS pour Douille :Merci pour cette traduction explicite  _________________ Aquariophilement, Cleithracara maronii passion Ma galerie photo |
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tyrion Suprème maronii


Nombre de messages: 430 Localisation: lyon Date d'inscription: 05/07/2005
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Mélanie Administrateur


Nombre de messages: 769 Age: 25 Localisation: Dole (39) Date d'inscription: 01/06/2005
 | Sujet: Re: Breeding my keyholes Mar 27 Mar - 17:41 | |
| Dis donc Tyrion, un peu de respect Revenons aus choses sérieuses, J'ai eu une réponse de Zac | Citation: | oooh, sorry forget - water parametres temp - 24.5 - 26 degrees c - ph 6.1-7 - and im not to sure about the hardness, but i use black water expert to recreate amazon conditions softenign and lowerign ph. thanks |
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Douille Suprème maronii


Nombre de messages: 630 Age: 29 Localisation: Paris Date d'inscription: 02/06/2005
 | Sujet: Re: Breeding my keyholes Mar 27 Mar - 19:18 | |
| Harff, pas bon ça si il ne connait pas la duretée de son eau. La tourbe liquide ou solide aide, mais elle ne fera pas baisser les paramètres de son eau si celle-ci est trop dure. Enfin... l'avantage avec les maronii c'est qu'ils ne sont pas trop exigeants...Profitons en. (je vous laisse traduire  ) |
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Mélanie Administrateur


Nombre de messages: 769 Age: 25 Localisation: Dole (39) Date d'inscription: 01/06/2005
 | Sujet: Re: Breeding my keyholes Dim 1 Avr - 10:52 | |
| | Citation: | hi melanie, i know you specialize with keyholes not kribensis, but iv had a pair of kribensis in my comunity tank for over 3 weeks now and both (male and female) were dispalying to eachother and both were very active and happy - the female is about 1.3 inches and male 1.8 inches. Now the male is still very active but he female is always hidign in the plants towards the top of teh tank like she is scared to come out. she is a bit less colourful than she was but still has much colour. coudl you help me or refer me to someone who coudl help me with this ( im quite worried about her 
thanks zach |
je suppose que les kribensis sont les pelmatos ? je préfère laisser ceux qui en ont déja eu poster leur réponse. je ne connais pas trop les moeurs des pelmatos._________________ Aquariophilement, Cleithracara maronii passion Ma galerie photo |
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Douille Suprème maronii


Nombre de messages: 630 Age: 29 Localisation: Paris Date d'inscription: 02/06/2005
 | Sujet: Re: Breeding my keyholes Lun 2 Avr - 7:35 | |
| harff pas le temps de traduire le texte ce matin, je donne ma réponse d'ici demain. |
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JakezDaniel Suprème maronii


Nombre de messages: 232 Date d'inscription: 28/11/2005
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Douille Suprème maronii


Nombre de messages: 630 Age: 29 Localisation: Paris Date d'inscription: 02/06/2005
 | Sujet: Re: Breeding my keyholes Mer 4 Avr - 10:17 | |
| Pour faire rapide: Le mâle pelvicachromis se montre assez violent avec la femelle temps que celle-ci n'est pas gravide. Il arrive donc que la femelle reste cachée pendant une semaine voir deux. Cela ne l'empêche pas d'avoir son territoire, son petit coin à elle qu'elle va défendre jusqu'au jour J. Il n'y a rien à faire appat attendre. Ses couleurs vont revenir quand le mâle commencera à la courtiser en vue d'une ponte. Ces poissons s'occupent très bien de leur petits, ils deviennent très agressifs. Il faut faire en sorte de créer des territoires bien distincts pour chaque espèce de cichlides. |
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